Wednesday, April 29, 2009

YES, I STILL HATE ELI ROTH.

Because he's a hack, Eli Roth's next movie is going to be another stupid piggy-backing movie-within-a-movie like his stupid faux-trailer for "Thanksgiving" in Grindhouse.

The new stupid movie-within-a-movie, that will appear in the possibly-stupid Inglorious Basterds, is a faux-Nazi propaganda film called Stolz der Nation (or, translated in stupid as, The Nation's Pride).

Roth said this:

"I'm going to, like, resurrect the Nazi party. They are going to make me their Sarah Palin. They will be like, 'We love his movie. But he's a Jew! But it's such a good movie. But a Jew made it! It's going to really throw off all the neo-Nazi's. I can’t wait." (Worstpreviews.com)
Wow. He makes Miss California sound eloquent. Yes, Eli Roth is probably the biggest idiot to ever make it in Hollywood.

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Ed Howard said...

Eli Roth may well be a hack (and, based on that quote, an idiot to boot), but "Thanksgiving" was some hilarious shit. It perfectly captured and parodied that specific kind of gory horror schlock fest. I thought the only one of the Grindhouse trailers to top it was Rob Zombie's over-the-top entry, complete with Nic Cage cameo.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new Tarantino.

Rick Olson said...

What a maroon.

Fox said...

Rick-

That's not nice to say about Ed!!!

Just kidding!Ed-

We'll have to agree to disagree on the "Thanksgiving" trailer. It may have an eye for mimicry (of Larry Cohen, of Jörg Buttgereit - blech!!, of John Landis' "Thriller" video) but I still think it's terrible and stupid!

I'm gonna be real mature about this.

Rick Olson said...

oops ... I meant Roth, who I cannot abide.

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bill r. said...

He's a douche, all right. Along with everything else, he says that he "can't wait" for the Neo-Nazis reaction to this thing. I, for one, despise Neo-Nazis, and believe them to be horrible people -- I realize I'm going out on a limb here -- but does Roth really think he's going to get any reaction out of them? Does he think they'll be perplexed by the pro-Nazi film contained within a movie about Jews scalping Nazis, and think, "Well wait. I'm getting mixed messages here"? And then maybe write and angry letter to the editorial page of their local newspaper?

Anyway. I still can't wait for Inglorious Basterds. I like Tarantino's films, no matter who he hangs out with.

And the best trailer in Grindhouse was Don't. I thought everybody had already agreed on that.

Fox said...

Krauthammer-

I think Eli Roth is gonna read your comment and think:

"I love this comment! But wait... Krauthammer hates me!?"...

It's really going to throw him off.

Fox said...

Bill-

I also like how he thinks he's being clever with his Sarah Palin = Hitler allusion. That's a new one! I can see him high-fiving his bros after coming up with that one.

Y'know... I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just kidding about thinking he would piss off neo-Nazis, but his haircut wants to make me never give him any benefit.

And I am still looking forward to Inglorious Basterds b/c I've liked Tarantino in the past, but I do admit that the trailer makes me sick to my stomach. I'm kind of expecting the worst.

bill r. said...

Sick to your stomach? Why?

Fox said...

To me, the trailer comes off like a celebration of wiping out fascism with a fascistic gleam in the eye of the filmmaker. I could care less if a real-life wicked Nazi dies by this or by that, but with the red-fanged vigor with which it's sold in that trailer kinda gives me the creeps.

I think Tarantino is wanting to continue a selling of exploitation cinema on a grand scale and on a big budget (as in Death Proof), and I'm not so sure that works. I think his hodgepodge homages work in movies like Kill Bill pt. 1 b/c he makes the references to moments from other movies his own, but with Death Proof (and possibly with Inglorious Basterds) he seemed to wanna capture the spirit of the style and aesthetic of exploitation films, and that didn't work so well for me.

bill r. said...

Well, I wasn't crazy about Death Proof either (barring Kurt Russell, and the great shock moment in the middle), although I'm not sure my problems with it were the same as yours. I found much of the acting (again, barring Kurt Russell) to be pretty awful, and much of the film to be just tedious and self-conscious. With Inglorious Basterds, I have to assume there will be less opportunity for the characters to blather on about, say, the most recent Dead End Kids films, and its pop culture subtext. With Death Proof, Tarantino actually achieved the self-parody that so many people claimed he'd already reached, but actually hadn't, but I think he's a smart enough storyteller to know that certain things he might be used to putting in his movies won't fly in a Dirty Dozen style WWII film.

As for the "fascistic gleam in the eye of the filmmaker"...I see the gleam, but not the fascism. Where is it? In any case, I've spent a fair chunk of my life developing a strong taste for visceral thrills delivered via films featuring Nazis getting mowed down, or worse, and I'm not ashamed of that (and I know you're not saying I should be). So bring it on, I say.

Fox said...

See... now The Dirty Dozen, roughneck movie that it was, didn't feel sadistic to me. In comparison, the trailer for Inglorious Basterds does... full-on.

bill r. said...

But you could easily argue that the finale of Dirty Dozen, with the burning alive of the party guests, is very sadistic. You could make that argument, and I wouldn't care, because they're Nazis, but still.

Second, the sadism in Inglorious Basterds is obviously supposed to be part of the point. Whether it works or not neither of us will know until we see it, but Brad Pitt's speech in the trailer is all about being sadistic to the Nazis in order to frighten all those who they don't get their mitts on. If the film's premise puts you off, okay, but the sadism isn't some kind of subtext. And make of this what you will, but the premise of the film makes it sound like a rip-snortin' good time to me.

Fox said...

But you could easily argue that the finale of Dirty Dozen, with the burning alive of the party guests, is very sadistic....

I don't remember The Dirty Dozen well enough to comment on that specific scene, but I remember never thinking that the violence in The Dirty Dozen was sadistic to the level of what we're faced with in a post-Se7en world (ie Saw, Wolf Creek, Haute Tension, etc.), meaning naked cruelty in your face.

Now, maybe Tarantino can take some of that edge off if Inglorious is over-the-top or goofy or whatever... I don't know. Hyper-violence has different effects on me depending on the movie and variables within the movie.

I agree with you that the sadism in the trailer is sub-textual, that it's on the surface, but that's what churns my tummy. I can't stand the giddy look on Eli Roth's face as he's about to bash a head in.

bill r. said...

A Nazi head. Really, don't you think there were some Jews at the time who would have relished the opportunity? I'm sure there were, and I can hardly blame them.

Fox said...

Really, don't you think there were some Jews at the time who would have relished the opportunity?Absolutley. I'm just not sure a celebration of that on screen makes for a good movie.

The vengeance of the Mossad agents in Munich carried a human element to it. The assassinations they carried out took a toll on them b/c they were still people killing other people... even if it was justified.

In Inglorious, it seems like they will be doing chest bumps after each kill, comparing scalps like track ribbons. Instead of a just assassination of the Nazi monsters and murderers, it seems like it might be a party.

Now I'm really itching to see the whole film so we can expand this out some more.

bill r. said...

Absolutley. I'm just not sure a celebration of that on screen makes for a good movie...

It might, or it might not. The fact that that's what the film appears to be about has no bearing on whether it'll be any good or not.

And I don't know about the chest-bumps. I know you don't mean that literally, but I don't get that vibe. Also, what you say about Munich is true, and I think that's a great movie, but this is a different kind of film we're talking about.

Anyway, we'll see. I may hate it. I didn't like his last film, after all.

Linden Arden said...

I share your scepticism regarding Inglorious Basterds; everything I've seen, heard or read about the film so far, including Roth's creative input, have suggested that it's going to be bad. Of course, I'll reserve full-judgement until I actually see the thing.

As much as I love Death Proof (a continually rewarding film that worked because it was in the context of the Grindhouse style, thus, for me at least, excusing the endless and obvious cinema-pastiche), I would still like to see Tarantino return to the style of his first three features, which for me, given that I grew up with them, are still the archetypical Tarantino works.

Getting him away from hacks like Rodriguez and Roth would probably be a good start.

Fox said...

Linden-

I liked the first half of Death Proof, but not the latter. I think most of that had to do with how irritating I found Tracie Thoms. I wish she would have been one of the the ladies that died in the first half so she would have been silenced in the second.

Also, as impressive as Zoe Bell's stuntwork was, I was very bored by that lengthy car chase sequence... and "boring" and "car chase" should never go hand-in-hand.

Ed Howard said...

I'm with Linden on Death Proof: I thought it was great. The chatty, silly, compulsively referential dialogue was fun, and the mirrored structure was perfectly executed. And I thought the whole car chase sequence in the second half was as damn near perfect as that kind of scene can be. Not to mention the ambiguity of the final freeze frame, which manages to be both celebratory and critical of the celebration of violence. It's a great film. Sometime soon I need to revisit it and write it up, because I don't think it's really been taken seriously enough (and maybe hasn't even been seen enough considering how badly Grindhouse did at the box office).

Fox said...

Ed-

It is a shame the way Grindhouse the movie got divided up on DVD. (Though, as stand alone DVDs the individual films were longer cuts, right?)

I never saw the complete feast in a theater. In fact, I've only scene Death Proof and then the faux-trailers online. I haven't seen Planet Terror.

What did you think of that film? I've heard polarizing opinions about it. Some hate it, some love it. I'm guessing Linden hated it (from his comment on R-Rod... I immediately apologize for just calling him "R-Rod".)

Greg said...

Okay, so being out of the loop with work, Fox finally posts another general topic post that I had specifically asked for and I missed most of the conversation. Damn.

I'll add this minor correction: You meant Miss South Carolina, not Miss California. Miss SC is the one with 34 million views on YouTube thanks to her "makes Eli Roth look like a genius" answer to a simple question.

Ed Howard said...

I was very fortunate to see Grindhouse in the theater, and it was a fantastic experience. It really is a shame the movie was split up on DVD because the whole thing together was what made it work so well. Grindhouse as a whole was much better than any of the elements individually. It also added an additional layer to the halving in the Tarantino film, because it felt like the whole film was constantly in the process of subdividing, breaking down into smaller and smaller chunks as it went along.

As for Planet Terror, it was fun. I can't imagine wanting to see it separately from the whole Grindhouse experience, though. Whereas Tarantino took his film and did something, IMO, truly great with the concept, Rodriguez just delivered a straight-up campy, gory, crazy genre homage. It's a lot of fun, but that's all.

PIPER said...

I'll put my hate of Roth up against your hate of Roth and we can have those two hates fight eachother. It would be interesting to see which hate wins.

I also hate that Tarantino has hooked up with him. Roth stinks so bad, he's making Tarantino stink.

Fox said...

Greg-

I almost even parenthetically titled the post ("Greg, hey buddy, this one's for you!"), but I didn't wanna hurt anyone's feelings.

But... isn't the most recent one - the one who had the brush with Perze Hilton - Miss California? She definitely made more "verbal" sense than Miss SC, but she still said some odd-sounding things like "opposite marriage" and "in my country" (I think she meant "state"... but maybe she thinks California is a country.)

I bet Miss SC is glad that the new beauty queen has take some heat off of her. And, to be honest, I kinda felt bad for Miss SC. I mean, I laughed when I heard it, don't get me wrong, I'm not pure, but the piling on made me feel for her.

Fox said...

It also added an additional layer to the halving in the Tarantino film, because it felt like the whole film was constantly in the process of subdividing, breaking down into smaller and smaller chunks as it went along....

That's a very interesting point, and one I will have to remember if the whole spectacle ever gets a release on DVD. (Surely it will, right???).

I was pretty shocked when it bombed at the BO. I thought for sure it would be a smash on the heels of Sin City doing so well. But, I think audiences were confused. And then, maybe, the length of the whole thing.

Fox said...

PIPER-

What if Eli Roth reads this and unleashes the Wrath of Roth upon us?

I think we could win. He may have more weapons and dudes with frat boy bodies and hipster haircuts, but we have soul on our side.

Honestly though, it would be fun to either play dodgeball or big-glove boxing with some of our favorite film nemesises (sp?).

Ed Howard said...

I can only hope that eventually there's a big box set that includes both the original theatrical cut and the longer cuts of the individual films (which I haven't actually seen yet).

I think the reason it failed at the box office had a lot to do with shoddy marketing. I remember around the time it came out talking to people at work who were big Tarantino fans and had loved Sin City and who either a) had no idea this was even out; or b) were very confused by what it was supposed to be. I don't think there was enough of a marketing push, and I don't think they did a very good job of selling it as the looney action spectacle it was. I mean, this is a movie that features zombies and car chases and Rose McGowan running around with a freakin' machine gun for a leg: this should not have been such a hard sell. We're not talking about Bergman and Godard here, we're talking killers in black muscle cars and zombie-fighting hot chicks. The fact that it bombed has to lie squarely at the feet of the marketing and distribution teams.

Greg said...

Fox, I suppose you're right. I'll see if Miss California racks up as many views over the next year.

Anyway, I found Hostel II useful for clips in my Killfest trailer and in my Killfest finale (thanks Eli!). I used the Lorna death scene where it's done like a sexually climactic version of the Elizabeth Bathory story.

bill r. said...

I wasn't crazy about Grindhouse (nice idea, though), but they pretty regularly show the whole deal, fake credits and all, on one of the Encore channels. Really, it's on a lot.

PIPER said...

Did you guys ever hear my idea for how to promote Grindhouse?

Did you?

Did you?

Well, I'm gonna tell you.

Rodriguez and Tarantino travel with the film for the first six months, introducing the film in smaller film houses across the US. Build some hype around it. Have some people line up for it. Then give it a general release.

That's how you play them cards.

I should get paid for this.

Ed Howard said...

Bill, I can't believe you don't like Grindhouse, I'm so angry right now. I'm gonna beat you with a baseball bat.

Nah, not really.

Greg said...

I should get paid for this....

In case you guys missed that, Pat's in advertising. Just thought I'd help him out.

PIPER said...

I meant to say I should get paid MORE for this.

Greg said...

After reading Pat's comment I feel like a Sonic burger.

Boy that Pat's good!

PIPER said...

Still got it.

Linden Arden said...

Fox-

That's unfortunate that you didn't enjoy the Death Proof car chase. I thought it was a remarkable piece of work and a real achievement on Tarantino's part; both as a director and as the film's cinematographer. He's always had a good reputation for dealing with character and dialog, but the car chase, and the car crash that closes the first act, really show how much he's developed in terms of the technical aspects of his filmmaking.

It was also enjoyable simply for its creative intentions, which I think was Tarantino proving that you CAN do an old-fashioned car chase (without the use of CGI or clever editing) showing a real person hanging off the front of a real car being driven really fast.


Also, to go back to Planet Terror for a moment – I thought it was good fun, but my main problem with it (and this might be a pretty trivial line of thought) is that it isn't really a Grindhouse film. To me, it seemed more like an extended homage to VHS splatter cinema as typified by the likes of John Carpenter and Stuart Gordon. Tarantino's film felt fairly authentic to 70's drive-in movies, but he managed to give it his own spin. The Rodriguez film just feels like empty pastiche.

Fox said...

If Pat's so good at advertising, then how come he doesn't even know how to use his own name in his comment profile????

EWWWWWWWW BURN!!!...

Pat was a good one if I do say so myself!

Fox said...

We're not talking about Bergman and Godard here, we're talking killers in black muscle cars and zombie-fighting hot chicks....

Ed-

Maybe they should've gone with zombie-fighting FAT chicks!

And are you indirectly calling Bill a Nazi with that baseball bat smack talk?

Fox said...

It was also enjoyable simply for its creative intentions, which I think was Tarantino proving that you CAN do an old-fashioned car chase (without the use of CGI or clever editing) showing a real person hanging off the front of a real car being driven really fast....

Linden-

I agree with you that it was refreshing to see Tarantino pull off an old-fashioned car chase. It really was. But the buzz of that wore off for me after I was impressed. The greater pull or power of the entire scene and sequence just wasn't there for me.

And I also didn't like that the women killed Kurt Russell. But I can't remember why. Maybe I'm an extreme sexist.

I'm gonna watch Planet Terror this weekend now... maybe. If you say Stuard Gordon, then I get excited. I definitely don't have a dislike for Rodriguez the way I do Roth, I just haven't liked any of his films outside of The Faculty.

Ed Howard said...

And are you indirectly calling Bill a Nazi with that baseball bat smack talk?...

No, I'm referencing a thread over at his place where he threatened to beat me up for not liking a movie that he liked. It was terrifying...

Fox said...

Aww....

Dangit. Cuz, you see, yesterday we were talking about the baseball bat scene in Inglorious were Eli Roth takes one to a Nazi's head.

Fox said...

Ed-

P.S. Bill has threathened to "punch me in the mouth" about 5 times now, but it never happens.

So don't worry... he's all talk.

bill r. said...

I'ma punch ALL y'all in the motherfuckin' FACE!!!

RRRR!! I'm violent!! RRRR!!!

bill r. said...

Also, Fox, you liked The Faculty?? Yeesh.

The only Rodriguez film I like is Sin City, because I'm violent and sadistic and all that.

Ed Howard said...

Rodriguez also made The Misbehavors, which is pretty much the only enjoyable part of the otherwise dismal Four Rooms. It's a damn funny short.

Reel Whore said...

Since I'm joining the converse late; I have to say his Thanksgiving trailer was funny, Hostel was marginally decent, and Cabin Fever was excruciatingly painful. I've never met the man, but Roth has always seemed like a douche to me.

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